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Nice tensegrity models for sale by Conceptions in Wood (Tom Parker)
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> in other words, the knee-jerk usage of "Pax Americana,"
> as in this article, must be understood to be a geopolitical tool
> of such entities as the Fabian Socialist "Third Way,"
> "International Community," that is, explicitly, British.
> Hail britannica.com!
A lot of what you and perhaps LLR fight under as Britannical is,
IMO, owing to the Romans (who in turn did a lot of synthesizing).
"Pax Americana" only makes this obvious -- Latin, duh.
The UK imperial style had much to do with building on models
of past empires, as emulated through architecture and the
institutions within.
Washington DC was built (in a swamp) when the Eurocivs were
still considered the only viable templates (and not just the
English were into public buildings modeled after Greco-Roman
temples e.g. the Supreme Court building, with "juris" and
"legis" roots floating everywhere in the vicinity).
What's been happening since is a continued rise in literacy,
but literacy has a shape to it, i.e. is not just a generic
In what +directions+ does our literacy evolve?
This is where open source comes in, and all those Russian
and Chinese kids, busily downloading Linux source code and
mastering the C/C++ innards within (knowing full well their
counterparts in the USA, Finland, South Africa and India
are doing the same).
Whereas a corporation in the East India tradition is found
on boilerplate "Inc." language, crafted and understood by
fine-print lawyers, the large organizations of the future
are more likely to operate on the basis of business rules
spelled out in "man pages", with enforcement of contracts,
authentication, resource management, in the hands of Java
To design a corporation will mean sitting down with
database designers, website designers, coders of other
descriptions -- but less so lawyers.
Lawyers and politicians know how to "legislate" but maybe
not how to code.
For this reason, design science heralds a
different "look and feel" in the 21st century than we've
seen in the 20th.
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YES,YES,YES!
Thank you, Kirby.
Such beautifully concise explanations
of dynamic trends and patterns should be required reading for children.
all of us.
Kirby Urner wrote:
> The UK imperial style had much to do with building on models
> of past empires, as emulated through architecture and the
> institutions within.
> Washington DC was built (in a swamp) when the Eurocivs were
> still considered the only viable templates (and not just the
> English were into public buildings modeled after Greco-Roman
> temples e.g. the Supreme Court building, with "juris" and
> "legis" roots floating everywhere in the vicinity).
> What's been happening since is a continued rise in literacy,
> but literacy has a shape to it, i.e. is not just a generic
In what +directions+ does our literacy evolve?
> This is where open source comes in, and all those Russian
> and Chinese kids, busily downloading Linux source code and
> mastering the C/C++ innards within (knowing full well their
> counterparts in the USA, Finland, South Africa and India
> are doing the same).
> Whereas a corporation in the East India tradition is found
> on boilerplate "Inc." language, crafted and understood by
> fine-print lawyers, the large organizations of the future
> are more likely to operate on the basis of business rules
> spelled out in "man pages", with enforcement of contracts,
> authentication, resource management, in the hands of Java
To design a corporation will mean sitting down with
> database designers, website designers, coders of other
> descriptions -- but less so lawyers.
> Lawyers and politicians know how to "legislate" but maybe
> not how to code.
For this reason, design science heralds a
> different "look and feel" in the 21st century than we've
> seen in the 20th.
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Brian Hutchings
Re: Open Source Development Lab
<> Brian Q. Hutchings
r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
what Bucky meant by his apolitical (sic) diagnostic,
may be different from his intentions -- if only
because he didn't know the meaning of certain words
(and, perhaps, "a posthumous scenario for humanity" may
have been a joke, on Kuromiya's part .-)
the manifest efficiencies for cutting clerical overhead, and
so forth, in business, may seem like the ultimate in manumission
for the supranational corporations, to crush republican goments,
if it weren't also employed by the people & its representatives.
unfortunately, there is a hogwild tendency to privatize
every goment function, alon with this, as promoted
by the minions of the World Bank, Transparency Intl.,
and so forth.
of course,
the automation of "boilerplate" for these oligarchical interests
is also a place where gushers of hyperinflationary money-printing
is turned, by Greenspan et al "exhuberists" !!
insofar as "Eurocivs" are a model,
we have to dystinguish between the oligarchical pantheon
of the Holy Roman Empire and its antecedent, the Commonwealth, and
the republican forms (First Republic France e.g.).
thuw quoth:
Whereas a corporation in the East India tradition is found
on boilerplate "Inc." language, crafted and understood by
fine-print lawyers, the large organizations of the future
are more likely to operate on the basis of business rules
http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
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> This is where open source comes in, and all those Russian
> and Chinese kids, busily downloading Linux source code and
> mastering the C/C++ innards within (knowing full well their
> counterparts in the USA, Finland, South Africa and India
> are doing the same).
> Whereas a corporation in the East India tradition is found
> on boilerplate "Inc." language, crafted and understood by
> fine-print lawyers, the large organizations of the future
> are more likely to operate on the basis of business rules
> spelled out in "man pages", with enforcement of contracts,
> authentication, resource management, in the hands of Java
To design a corporation will mean sitting down with
> database designers, website designers, coders of other
> descriptions -- but less so lawyers.
> Lawyers and politicians know how to "legislate" but maybe
> not how to code.
For this reason, design science heralds a
> different "look and feel" in the 21st century than we've
> seen in the 20th.
I long-ago envisioned LAW as open source code which anyone
(human or corporate) could download, inspect, compile and run
to predetermine legal outcomes. The COURT being simply an
Input/Output device that feed the facts to the LAW Computer.
LAWYERS are turned into programmers who encode (and often
debug the logical inconsistencies) of Legislative DESIGNERS
responsive to user (consumer) demand for better applications.
A blend of computer science, ethics, law, and market dynamics.
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Brian Hutchings
Re: Open Source Development Lab
<> Brian Q. Hutchings
r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
can anyone explain the New Economy (Money?) attitude,
of conflating "computer literacy" with the prerequisite
(as per the "trivium" and other trivial purfuitf)
of actual (or Shakespearean?) literacy?
in other words,
what is the difernce between "LAWCAP" as done by a programmer-dude/tte,
and as manifest by other sorts of paralegals?
thus quoth:
to predetermine legal outcomes. The COURT being simply an
Input/Output device that feed the facts to the LAW Computer.
LAWYERS are turned into programmers who encode (and often
debug the logical inconsistencies) of Legislative DESIGNERS
responsive to user (consumer) demand for better applications.
A blend of computer science, ethics, law, and market dynamics.
--Oy heil!
http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
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Dexter Graphic
1948 Travel Trailer Redesign
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Check out these awesome pictures of an aluminum and plastic
1948 travel trailer restored and refurbished to achieve a
space-age (if not dymaxian) look and feel. -Dexter Graphic
Crossroads: the intersection of material, form and function
http://www.wilsonart.com/Acadia/Sections/IdeasTips/Stories/CrossroadsSet.html
"As children, we were delighted by those shiny bubbles
floating down the highway en route to a scenic summer
destination. As adults, we recognize the timeless beauty
of the aerodynamic shapes and the ingenious efficiency
of the compact space."
"Jim Huff, creative director of inside design, conceived
the project: "We liked the fact that the trailer is a
sleek, familiar form. Interestingly, the interiors have
never been as beautiful as the shell. We wanted to make
the inside as aesthetically pleasing as the outside."
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Did you miss the heading "Open Source" ???
Any kid with a computer
could potentially download the source and hack a fix for global-local
socio-legal injustice by out-competing the status-quo big-business
proprietary-access secret-deals-in-back-rooms legal-BS OS. A Global
Social-Legal-Political Operating System for Humanity evolving blindly
through open access competition for solutions. What works sells, and
what sells rules. Power shifts to the thoughtful-creative individual
(or design team) from the control-and-conquer bureaucratic parasites.
Free minds, free markets, free software, free societies, free housing:
All part of the continuing evolution of free-willed life in universe.
Dexter Graphic
> -----Original Message-----
> From: List for the discussion of Buckminster Fuller's works
> [mailto:GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Brian Hutchings
> Sent: Saturday, September 02,
> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
> Subject: Re: Open Source Development Lab
> <> Brian Q. Hutchings
r001806@pen2.ci.santa-monica.ca.us
can anyone explain the New Economy (Money?) attitude,
of conflating "computer literacy" with the prerequisite
(as per the "trivium" and other trivial purfuitf)
of actual (or Shakespearean?) literacy?
in other words,
what is the difernce between "LAWCAP" as done by a programmer-dude/tte,
and as manifest by other sorts of paralegals?
thus quoth:
to predetermine legal outcomes. The COURT being simply an
Input/Output device that feed the facts to the LAW Computer.
LAWYERS are turned into programmers who encode (and often
debug the logical inconsistencies) of Legislative DESIGNERS
responsive to user (consumer) demand for better applications.
A blend of computer science, ethics, law, and market dynamics.
--Oy heil!
http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
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Kirby Urner
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the manifest efficiencies for cutting clerical overhead, and
so forth, in business, may seem like the ultimate in manumission
> for the supranational corporations, to crush republican goments
I don't think talking about corporations as machines is the same
as talking about automating to the point where humans no longer
have roles.
We'll get different theater, certainly, but in my
view the internet and open source is an invitation to billions
of would-be design science studios (small, efficient) to get in
on the action.
There's no shortage of work that needs doing.
In the general systems theory view, a corporation is indeed an
inamimate object (a box), not a pseudo-human as defined in legal
fiction (with human rights plus a giant's powers to hire and
fire, pull political strings and so forth).
Humans are not
conceived, as in the "ship" metaphor, to be "inside" the
corporation.
Rather, humans connect to the corporation via
the various job title interfaces which the corporation defines
(e.g. CEO, CFO, webmaster, inventory manager -- whatever cast).
Every interface comes with its "man pages" re how to operate the
machinery in that capacity.
Many resources are shared, with some
data protected.
You've got the intranet, internet and firewall
These corporations may be "virtual" in the sense that the humans
patching in to operate it are mostly remote.
Some servers in
the UK might be part of the corporate network, with others in
New York or Portland.
You can have intranets which traverse
such distances (the intranet/internet distinction isn't
primarily geographic).
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Kirby Urner
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> what is the difernce between "LAWCAP" as done by a programmer-dude/tte,
> and as manifest by other sorts of paralegals?
I think you can see the difference right here in this open source
Engineers aren't the ones most interested in artificially
inhibiting technology in order to create scarcity in service of
business plans inherited from the dark ages.
Moneymakers with
a hypocritical approach to alleviating the world's poverty can't,
in the final analysis, cough up a coherent ethics in support of
their institutionalized selfishness (hence the crumbling and crashing
sounds we hear all around us -- cite: Twilight of the World's Power
Structures (Critical Path)).
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Kirby Urner
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At 04:59 PM 09/02/, you wrote:
>Did you miss the heading "Open Source" ???
Any kid with a computer
Yes, I think he missed it (the boat).
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Kirby Urner
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At 04:18 PM 09/02/, you wrote:
>Check out these awesome pictures of an aluminum and plastic
>1948 travel trailer restored and refurbished to achieve a
>space-age (if not dymaxian) look and feel. -Dexter Graphic
>Crossroads: the intersection of material, form and function
>http://www.wilsonart.com/Acadia/Sections/IdeasTips/Stories/CrossroadsSet.html
Yes, useful link.
Getting folks excited about Fly's Eye Domes etc. requires
bridging from the known.
We need segues.
The manufactured
homes industry, plus the travel trailer/RV industry is a
source of prototypes (my RV -> BizMo transition didn't
happen the way I'd hoped, but still could).
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Dome Tent at ICFF
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Dome tent on the show floor of the 2000 International
Contemporary Furniture Fair.
http://www.glmshows.com/icff/gallery/tent.jpg
http://www.glmshows.com/icff/gallery/tent_people.jpg
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I found another photo which shows the trailer's kitchen from a
different angle.
http://www.glmshows.com/icff/icffgifs/three.jpg
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Brian Hutchings
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<> Brian Q. Hutchings
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youn man, you did not really grok what I was typing (either?).
you sound much like a Libertarian,
who'd take a professed exmple of Jefferson, and
the supposedduality between Hamiltonian & Jeffersonian forms
of democracy, and run with it blindly to Youtopia,
shouting his adherence to Uncle Thomas and his agrarian ways!
the chief problem is to believe in "free markets,"
which comes from taking the word of
the feudalists (the promoters
of *laissez-faire, laissez-passe*) that buying cheap & selling dear
is the epitome of freedom (because of the root-word !-)
or, what in Hell did you mean?
thus quoth:
Social-Legal-Political Operating System for Humanity evolving blindly
through open access competition for solutions. What works sells, and
what sells rules. Power shifts to the thoughtful-creative individual
(or design team) from the control-and-conquer bureaucratic parasites.
http://www.tarpley.net
PS: if you really want an example
of the dysaster of imposing "free" market doctrine,
just look at the Bush book's chapter on the Thorburgh Doctine,
which was aimed by the anlophiles at the SU.
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Patrick Salsbury's "Autonomous House" designs:
http://reality.sculptors.com/~salsbury/House/
Joe S Moore:
Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
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Now for someting completely different.
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With all due apologies to Monty Python for the above Subject line.
http://tm.intervu.net/smirror/ubl/musicvideos/sony/ratm/g2/testify_300.ra=
Micheal Moores website.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/
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From: Social Director [mailto:]
>Sent: Tuesday, September 05,
>Subject: Bucky's Coming Back
>Dear Fellow Travelers on the Spaceship Earth:
>Bucky 's Coming Back!
>You will have another chance this fall to see the Bay Area 's
>newest favorite Superhero: BUCKY!
>Foghouse.com is pleased to announce the return to San Francisco of:
>R. Buckminster Fuller: THE HISTORY (and Mystery) OF THE UNIVERSE,
>starting on October 13. Come see Bucky roam home to his new dome, in
>the vaulted, neo-gothic splendor of the George Coates Performance
>Works, 110 McAllister St. (2 blocks from the Civic Center Garage).
>"The amazing Ron Campbell returns as Bucky. It 's hard to imagine a
>better one-man performance." - The San Francisco Chronicle
>Dymaxion Discount
>We are offering a special Dymaxion Discount of $4 per ticket, to
>Bucky-heads in-the-know for performances from Oct 13 29 only. You
>must purchase your tickets by September 16 to get the discount. You
>can get more info on the secret Dymaxion Discount (not available to
>the general public) and purchase discounted tickets on-line at:
>http://www.foghouse.com/box_office/dymaxion.html
>Or you can order by phone at 415-392-4400 and tell them you want
>the Dymaxion Discount.
>Help us spread the word, and forward this email to other worthy
>Bucky-heads.
>The Social Director
>Foghouse Productions
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Brian Hutchings
Re: [Q-P] Gore or Nader?
<> Brian Q. Hutchings
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oh, G-sh -- you don't like me ?!?
from =Kouroo@brown.edu
Dear Brian Hutchings,
I haven't seen any of your messages for some time, because I had an
automatic filter in place on my old laptop, that sent all messages
originated by you direct to the trashbasket. Now, on my new laptop, I
received and seen the following message by you. This message, like the
I remember, is not only rather incoherent but also quite irrelevant to
of my extensive interests. Therefore I have again created an automatic
filter, on this new laptop, sending all messages by you to the
trashbasket.
I don't know how many other people take this action in regard to your
postings, but you should know that at least in my case, you are writing
emails entirely for your own amusement.
At 08:38 AM 9/5/00 -0700, you wrote:
><> Brian Q. Hutchings
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as you indicate, "closure" seems often (usually?)
to be a eupahamism for revenge, so I'm unsure of your points.
thus quoth:
Yes, that is why I believe strongly in the work of Murder Victims
for Reconciliation
and of course I believe in closure like that for
of other crimes also.
In fact the argument for closure is perhaps
strongest argument for the death penalty and that is why the work of
in any case,
Gore's victim's rights plank is thorughly of a piece
with the work of the prior Bush Administration,
which saw the DoJ/FBI apparatus burgeoning
tons of extrajudicial
a Constitutional amendment would only ratify these takings
from the search for truth and justice.
(see Lyn's comments from the Labor Day Conference
of the NCLC .-)
--The Thornburgh Doctrine!
http://www.tarpley.net/bush23.htm
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that's good, becaue it's anecdotal BS;
look at the RAND Corp. metastudy on "depleted" uranium,
which also makes a great paperweight!
I suspect that even the bio/chem munitions that were exploded
upwind of some troops are nothing, compared
to the psychological effect of fighting Sir George's turkey-shoot
(also, there was an interesting article in the Reader's Digest,
about a special mobile unit that supplied *les junques food*
to the troops -- seriously !-)
most interstingly, added to the 2-dozen Knights of the Realm,
were 6 new "OBEs" for their service in this destruction
of Earth's most progressive Arab nation
(Sir George, Sir Caspar, Sir Brent, Sir Norman, Sir Colin, and
I forget the other one, but like to include Sir Henry (the K)
as a matter of reminder of the principles of one
who has peddled influence heavily in that region).
thus quoth:
"The British Sunday Times newspaper said Durakovic would tell the
conference that "tens of thousands" of British and American soldiers were
dying from radiation from depleted uranium shells. But he gave no such
read the Reuters report here:
http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=8038
--The Duke of Oil!
http://www.tarpley.net/bush8.htm
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now, the "renal failure" that is cited,
can only be due to the *chemical* toxicity of uranium,
not any percieved radiation (well, wouldn't help,
unless below the hormetic (therapeutic?) level).
the stated ubiquity of DU as atmosperic dust,
cannot be anything but rather transitory,
in the same way that gold settles quickly to the ocean floor
(from wherever it was eroded, unless caught
by the lucky panner).
thus quoth:
Durakovic said depleted uranium that coated shells to ease
penetration of thick armour exploded into multiple
particles,
which "became part of atmospheric dust" after hitting
"Because of the omnipresence of small sub-micron
radioactive dust in the Persian Gulf, uranium that was
liberated by impact (with tanks)...evaporated at
temperatures higher than several thousand degrees
centigrade," he said.
(Copyright 2000 by Ye Olde Colonial Networke (Reuters/Yahoo! (tm))
[ http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=8038 ]
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Subject: 45' Kit For Sale
9/6/00 4:55 PM
Dave Baer,
> Hi Folks.....As many of you know, I'm not a frequent contributor to the
> list, but my comments are usually biased when I have one :) It has come
> to pass that I have a customer who for one reason or another has decided
> NOT to follow through with the completion of the dome kit that he ordered
> from me.
> The customer has decided that we will both cut our loses, and sell this
> kit to the highest bidder OVER 10K...(Which, I must add, is a substantial
> loss to both of us)........It's a 45' 3/8 sphere, very similar to what
> Forest Brown just offered for sale on Ebay, and is a panelized
> kit......Right now, I've completed approximately 40-50% of the panels,
> and the remainder shall be completed by request of the buyer as to the
> placement of skylights, etc.......
> I will take any reasonable offer for the kit (10k or above), as I have no
> room to store it in my shop, and have other jobs to cut out for other
> customers......This could be the break you are waiting for if you're in
> the market for a dome, and have the ingenuity to make it work for
> you..............
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At 12:39 PM 09/06/, you wrote:
>I probably has nothing to do with the playright and everything to do with
>professional unions.
>We would like to make a CD or video tapes, but the royalties (which are
>apparently fixed) would far outweigh any potential revenue we might realize.
Thanks for providing these insights.
We live in a culture which makes
it very hard for people such as orchestra musicians, because the only
legitimate business model is "revenue from sales", meaning we try to
make a salable commodity of anything and everything (fits like a foot
in a glove a lot of the time).
Of course if the playwright and principal actor negotiate with a
DVD company (you could pack on a lot more than the performance,
including a complete copy of 'Synergetics' and other books easy),
the outcome will be to stage the performance in a TV studio.
probably won't be a matter of trying to tape a live performance
in one of the theaters.
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> Subject:
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> I know there are around two hundred subscribers to
> geodesic but I am curious about how many readers we
Hit reply to this and we can see. Thanks.
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> voted #1 search engine! http://www.iwon.com why wouldn't you?
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the US system has effectively been using a "copresidency"
with the Veep, although Reagan had refused such a notion,
when it was presented as a fait-accompli with Ford.
so, it was done, anyway, by the means of getting Reagan
to sign E0#12333, which removed him from heading the NSC, and
put George in charge of all intelligence operations
(including "off of shelf enterprizes," of course).
folks wonder whty Ronnie was so befuddled!
I don't know if this was operative under Clinton, but
the unprecedented arrangement of Al's "Principal's Cmte."
put him in rather high dudgeon for the impeachment --
just as his cohort, Chernomyrdin, was scheming to remove Yeltsin.
so, how do such arrangements (with the Veep
in the Senate) parliamentarize the system?
this was all covered rather briefly,
in the past months, in the LATimes, although
there were no headlines, like, "Thinktanks Usher in Copresidency
(with our help in the media !-)"
thus quoth:
--Chairman George!
http://www.tarpley.net/bush12.htm
and here is something odd that came-up,
at this public terminal.
it could have been some kind of hotkey that someone made
on it, but this library is not in my zipcode, but
it is the one that was input at my prompt,
as a Yahoo! (tm) mail address (I was changing the defaults,
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here's the thus quoth:
oops, I lost it.
so the gist was,
our system is such that the President is not a member
of the parliament, and is elected separatley.
the Greens promote a sort of parliamentarism
in their wish for proportional representation
--your constant need for "coalition governments" and
the constant danger of "votes of no-confidence" and so forth--
through "instant run-off voting," although
anyone can see that an instantaneous run-off is utterly different
than a timely one.
the lamebrain clarion-call to the hoi-polloi,
"None of the Above" that Nader loves, so much.
(of course, this is of a piece
with typically citing Tamanny Hall as nothing
but corruption, as opposed to consituency-basing, and
the defamation (and driving-to-suicide) of --what's-his-name?--
while ignoring the outrageous infamy of the Astor slumlord !-)
--Chairman George!
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> Subject:
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> I know there are around two hundred subscribers to
> geodesic but I am curious about how many readers we
Hit reply to this and we can see. Thanks.
Oh, alright then.
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<> Brian Q. Hutchings
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first of all, no, I didn't see anything about first-thaws and
first-freezes on lakes & rivers, which must be an interesting datum,
but it does not bely the most "anthro" of the anomalies,
the fact that both the winters & nights have apparently
been getting warmer than the summers and days -- although
obviously not responsible for the annual records.
let-alone the simple data from the USDA,
the frost-zone maps, and in spite of the mere assertion
of the UNIPCC, it appears that
the energy throughput of cities is still not included
in most of the "models," from reading the papers
that come-out in the science press (AAAS's e.g., Science).
as a matter of fact, the "paradigm" as found
in the conference-proceedings from Berkeley
of an Urban Heat Island Conference, was devoted solely
to passive solar effects and albedo!
(circa '92, I think.)
thus qutoh:
Ancient clipping from The NYT Magazine 7/12/53.
Leonard Engel "The Weather is Really Changing: Studies confirm that
you've had that summers are getting warmer.
So are our winters.
atmosphere, not atoms, is to blame."
again, these are almost always urban readings, which are not reflected
in the US Climate Reference Network of 28 stations that're rural --
the following is also a vague statement,
as most of the "change" occurs in going from interglacial
to the glacial phase (or vise-versa), as Woillard's *Nature* article,
"Abrupt termination of the Eemian interglacial, *sensu strictu*."
thus quoth:
northern spruce and fir forests are vulnerable and those species that
inhabit them would need to find suitable habitat "ten times faster than
they did during the last ice age merely to survive."
--The Duke of Oil!
http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm
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<> Brian Q. Hutchings
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ah, of course, "Boss" William Tweed took the fall,
for trying to ameliorate some of the problems
of the slum-dwellers -- and their main slumlord, JJAstor!
thus saith:
(of course, this is of a piece
with typically citing Tamanny Hall as nothing
but corruption, as opposed to consituency-basing, and
the defamation (and driving-to-suicide) of --what's-his-name?--
while ignoring the outrageous infamy of the Astor slumlord !-)
--Chairman George!
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<> Brian Q. Hutchings
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whether or not globalization is "evil,"
how do you dystinguish it from any prior imperialist doctrine
("laissez faire, laissez passe" feudalism) or empire (say,
the Venetian) -- of world empire?
--Chariman George!
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The whole universe has the same basic orbitronical out and in look.
The best dome is a boat. Domes are just hype
Bucky went past the dome when he made the one in Long Beach.
He went on to world game which is now being ripped off right and left
as well as the BFI is sort of a family play ground.
I wish them all the best and on land the dome is great
but who wants to live on the rules and tax farms for the rich and stupid.
(c) copyright 2000, M.S. Mitchell
I gave bucky and anne's home to BILL PERK AND I HOPE HE MAKES A PARK OUT OF IT
LIKE HE TOLD ME WHEN HE TALKED ME IN TO SELLING IT TO HIM FOR A LOT LESS
BECAUSE I thought HE WOULD MAKE A PARK OUT OF IT.
His integrity is on the line for the park now.
I did my share of up keep and gave it to who I thought would make a park out of
after he stated he would for about 6 years and sent me letters saying so.
SO bill are you just a rip off or are you going to make it a historical property
you promised out of the c60 dome in Carbon-dale?
Tony Kalenak wrote:
> I think you are right.
> Domes have, basically the same geometry.
> You would have to offer the public some other enticements in order to have
> them give up the traditional wooden craft-built home.
> I envision a dome housing industry along the same lines as the auto industry
> with the same level of mass production/machine technology.
You could order
> your geodesic dome house (with your choice of size, colors, patterns, and
> textures) with the floor plan and amenities you want (i.e. built-in sound
> system, solar electric, etc.). All the wiring, lighting, windows and
> interior finishes would be built into the prefab panels which are
> transported to the site of your choice and erected by a professional team,
> the day you order.
Your new dome home would have a full 15 year warranty
> and it would have it paid off in 4 to 5 years or you might trade-in on a new
> model at a later date.
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Re: Cake and eat it too!
The problem, as I see it, with geodesics is that they are so
> uniform.
of our senses rely on change.
Stare at anything, for even a short
> time, and
it will disappear until you move your eyes.
So far I've not seen the range in dome home styles that we have with
traditional box homes.
We like to see interesting angles and lines.
ridgid requirements to achieve a dome structure move in the wrong
> direction
ascetically.
A housing addition with all domes is going to look
sheet of bubble wrap packing material.
A dome home will never
> replace a
victorian home as a work of art.
But beauty is in the eye of the
> beholder.
I have the same complaint about most modern housing additions.
> There are
several in my area where the color is all the same, tope, with green
The roof lines are all very similar.
I don't under why
would plop down 150 to 500 thousand dollars for
a house that looks
like their neighbors.
I'll take the character of an established
neighborhood any day.
Perhaps that sums it up, domes tend to have
character.
Someone here just a short time ago was looking for information on
> parabolic
structures.
This could help the situation some.
A parabola can be
"stretched".
I think the solution is to build large domes over other areas,
schools, universities, farms.
I envision a shallow depression in the earth covered by a dome.
could be a pond with earth berm type structures around.
In the case
school the center would be the atheletic field and track.
A dome 5280 feet (1 mile) across at the base would cover about 500
That would make a nice farm.
I think the growing season would be
> extended
No hail or wind damage.
Better insect control.
Standard dome homes offer little to entice a home buyer.
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Rights is the reason we can do anything. your views stink
anyone on prodigy has to relocate. They suck.
Lawyers are good, and you can do it your self.
The rights are there if you use them and stop talking about it.
rights is what made Bucky.
Stephen O'Shaughnessy wrote:
> I couldn't agree more.
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, August 29,
> To: GEODESIC@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
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> Stephen O'Shaughnessy wrote:
> > I agree.
Technology is constantly changing and the rate
> > of change is exponential.
We've done more in the last 50
> > years than all of time before that.
> Technology is critical but not sufficient for world-around
> success for all of humanity. The limiting factor is will:
> A moral-spiritual attitude that believes every human being
> on this planet is of living, learning,
> and loving even as we ourselves are. Once people acknowledge
> each other's humanity as supremely valuable they will take
> the necessary measures to provide for everyone's welfare.
> Dick Fischbeck wrote:
> > The standard of living in the states has a lot more to do
> > with the metaphysical or weightless resources employed
> > than anything else. I for one do not expect anything to
> > crash. I think we are getting closer to being past the
> > threat of nuclear war, the biggest crash of them all.
> > People reform when the environment is redesigned. More
> > with less eternally. Machines will continue to do more
> > and more drudge work. Recycling resources and converting
> > to a solar energy supply takes care of physical part of
> > wealth.
> The threat I see comes from within, it's people's attitudes.
> In all the various areas of human endeavor where I have
> worked in my life, the predominant theme is "get yours and
> screw the other guy." This is the American way--if not the
> world's way. In software, telecommunications, transportation,
> housing, government, law, medicine, marriage, religion, you
> name it, the dominant players work to suppress open standards
> and genuine human progress. If you can't put a meter on it
> and collect revenues then destroy the project or technology.
> A big one these days is America's push to force intellectual
> property right laws down every other nations throat. Artistic
> copyright, technological patents, and proprietary software
> is effectively locking-up our entire intellectual domain. We
> will crash because our vital information flow has been cut
> off. Creative minds needs access to the latest scientific
> discoveries, the most innovative technological secrets, the
> dynamically relevant artistic reflections of our current
> evolutionary state and the beautiful expressions of highest
> concepts of intellectual-cultural attainment.
> When it all bogs down to lawyers, money, and power, (personal
> proprietary control based on selfishness and fear) we're dead.
> Some links:
> The Right to Read
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
> THE FUTURE OF PUBLISHING
> http://promo.net/pg/kushal.html
> Why Software Should Not Have Owners
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-free.html
> The Rich Get Richer and The Poor Get Poorer
> http://promo.net/pg/annual98.html
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Kirby your still a jerk. No response expected.
With people like you around who
needs George Bush.
Hutch what do you think?
Robert Gray wrote:
> I am working on it.....
> My Internet Service Provider did a migration an didn't/couldn't migrate
> my web site.
I am in touch with them to try to resolve the problem.
> Synergetics *will* be on-line again in a day or so.
But it might
> be under a different web address.
> Bob Gray
> Kirby Urner wrote:
> > http://www.servtech.com/public/rwgray/synergetics/synergetics.html
> > is still not responding.
> > If anyone has any news, I'd appreciate it.
Of course I
> > wrote to BFI asking about it.
No response expected.
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Michael Mitchell
Re: Question about electromagnetics and tensegrities
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Lee Bonnifield wrote:
Since the digital economy is all about electromagnets
An electromagnet is typically made by wrapping a coil of
wire around an iron core. When an electric current is passed
thru the wire, the core becomes temporarily magnetized.
you add a switch that is pulled into one position or the
when the magnetic field is active, you have a relay.
This was an important gadget during the 40's and 50's for
making early computers. I don't think electromagnets have
much to do with the digital economy since relays were
replaced by transistors.
> I was under the impression that tensegrity, and related
> structures, derive their structural integrity from the
> electromagnetic nature of matter, and this is what gives
> their strength, resiliency, and lightness.
The electromagnetic nature of matter is responsible for
tensile and compressive strength at the atomic level. Those
strengths are used more intelligently in tensegrity than in
other structures, but other structures also get their
strength from their electromagnetic nature.
This is interesting garbage.
The uniqueness of tensegrity comes from the geometry of the
components at the macro scale, not from the atomic scale
which the material has in all forms of construction.
Tensegrity is the isotropic radii of a system relative to all others.
Syntropic, isotropic, and entropic systems are rates of radii expansion
in what is called space, but is
really radii fields freqency modulationary views from our origin of
radii of our relativity from us.
The idea that anything is different is not true, the same events are in
all size events. That would be the view of what I call orbitronics.
The area sweepout in time of systems of order gives you its relative
state of syntrivity with
the relativity it is in. The three ness it is in the universe or
syntrivity then you have syntropy,entropy, or isotropy.
It is all nano level and grows to macro, all being the same harmony of
octive like areas making larger areas in time
of speed of light radii in motion, but only having a radii length
difference that makes the 92 elements that make
the cosmic scheme of things, and us and the screen and the phone, and
the boat, and the sea and moon, and
stars and then you are in the nano level at the cosmic level again out
of the octive to unitivity.
(c) copyright 2000 m.s. mitchell
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From: "Robert Bringhurst"
> To: "Joe Moore"
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19,
> Subject: elusive quotation from Bucky Fuller
> > Dear Mr Moore,
> > I am assured that you know more than almost anyone
> > else about the work of Buckminster Fuller. I wonder if
> > you can help me find something in his work.
> > I am editing the selected writings of the Native Canadian artist
> > Bill Reid, who died two years ago. Among his papers is the
> > text of a lecture he gave on Native American dugout canoes.
> > He credits Buckminster Fuller with an important idea on this
> > theme, and I am attempting to find the source in Fuller's
> > writings.
The passage in question, reads as follows:
> > >> Buckminster Fuller may well have been right when he said
> > that the beginnings of design are found in the early work of those
> > who lived by and of the sea. For it is possible to build some kind
> > of structure merely by piling pieces of debris on top of one another
> > until you get something you can use, no matter how clumsy it may
> > be, provided you build it on land. But when you decide to go to sea,
> > you discover very soon that you have to contend with factors such
> > as weight to volume relationships, width to length ratios, relations
> > of strength to thickness, depth and shape to stability. And that's
> > only the beginning. You have to consider the nature of materials, to
> > invent the tools to effect their transformation so they can be used.
> > You have to consider means of propulsion and navigation: how to
> > get from here to there and back again without getting lost. < >
> > I do not know whether some or all of this may be direct quotation
> > from Fuller. But in looking through his books, I have not yet found
> > a passage in which this idea is really raised. Watercraft are mentioned
> > very frequently, of course, but I have not yet found a passage where
> > Fuller says more or less explicitly "that the beginnings of design are
> > found in the early work of those who lived by and of the sea."
> > Do you know where I might find this theme in Fuller's work, or can you
> > suggest someone else who might know that work well enough to help me?
> > Many thanks,
> > Robert Bringhurst
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Sun, 10 Sep :12 -0700
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Michael Mitchell
Re: Bucky Fuller: "Everything I Know" transcripts
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I transcribed the first time he did this in 1960 at the design deparment in
Carbondale Illinois
it took me and my mother over a week straight, from 6 inch reels of audio tapes
from the design
department. This was in the archive, as a non student donation from me and my
SHe typed it and I wrote it out first. This inspired Ed Applewhite after finding
my and my mother's
copy in the archive to do this one about 5 years after my mother and I did the
first one.
It was better than this one and it is lost some how mainly because when other
people do some
work they like to make theirs seem more important and focus on what they did.
This is what
Ed did with his copy, he has talked to me about my copy and it never seems to
get past his copy
some how. This is the whole story around the Fuller chaps in the school systems,
it is me, me, me and
the students do all the work and the teacher gets all the glory, Ed Applewhite
is a glory hog in the fuller
camp just like Kirby Urner is. But boy urner i call him, he is all ways sticking
his but out.
Joe S Moore wrote:
> Pat and all,
> A while ago I printed out all 12 chapters plus the index.
Very difficult to
> read because much punctuation missing!
Below is the breakdown:
> Chap Pages
> Index..45
> 1.........47
> 2.........37
> 3.........33
> 4.........27
> 5.........21
> 6.........33
> 7.........29
> 8.........36
> 9.........38
> 10.......44
> 11.......36
> 12.......43
> Total 469
> Joe S Moore:
> Buckminster Fuller Virtual Institute: http://www.cruzio.com/~joemoore/
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Salsbury"
> To: (snip)
> Sent: Friday, May 12,
> Subject: Bucky Fuller: "Everything I Know" transcripts
> > Transcripts from the 42-hour session Bucky did in 1975 entitled
> "Everything I
> > Know". I found 'em on the Bucky Fuller Institute page
http://www.bfi.org/ ) >
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Sun, 10 Sep :41 -0700
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Kirby Urner
Re: 'Synergetics' still off line
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Note to Geodesic readers:
Fuller's magnum opus 'Synergetics' is these days on-line of course,
at http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/synergetics.html
Michael was quoting out of context (so what else is new) -- some
exchange between Robert Gray and I from many moons past, no
longer relevant.
Speaking about the present time:
my 'Synergetics on the Web'
is math site of the week at:
http://west.camel.math.ca/Kabol/
>Robert Gray wrote:
>> I am working on it.....
>> My Internet Service Provider did a migration an didn't/couldn't migrate
>> my web site.
I am in touch with them to try to resolve the problem.
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Sun, 10 Sep :58 -0700
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